I'm looking to buy my first bike and the 2012 Ninja 250R looks awesome to me. I'm from San Francisco, CA and new at dealership is $4,199 I know there's a bunch of hidden fees and I definitely don't want to pay the full OTD price.. the plan is to negociate what would be a good price that I would be able to get away with? I see a lot of people saying buy used but I've looked around and a 2008 250R minimum is 3K already if lucky.. so with 4 years already on it and not knowing what it's been through I'm willing to pay a little extra for a brand new sexy looking perfect bike. I've rode a moped before and I know it's a whole different game but that gives me some experience riding at least. I see a lot of people saying go used because people drop bikes at stops and etc, why is that? Anything I could do to avoid that? I've never had any trouble with that on my moped.. Also another reason people say go used is because I'll out grow the 250R and want to move onto bigger & badder but I'm 5'7-5'8 at about 125 pounds and I would mainly only be doing city riding but I would also like to ripp down the street any chance I get :biggrin2 with that said would the 250R satisfy my style in riding or would the 650R be better?